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tadevil · Aug 17, 2009, 08:03 AM // 08:03

I'm glad they nerfed Ursan and I don't miss it the slightest I never even used it outside of that one quest, now only if they would nerf SF some balance would come to elite missions then I and people who would actually enjoy playing this game with a climax and some effort would be rather happy.

I still see Ursan run by pugs in missions and I bash them for it, I can't stand the skill, it's for people who really do suck at the game. Don't have money for armor? Use Ursan. Don't have good weapons? Use Ursan. No skills unlocked? Use Ursan, because you suck and don't like a challenge even if it might cause you to fail.

Bug John · Aug 17, 2009, 08:36 AM // 08:36

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Originally Posted by tadevil

I'm glad they nerfed Ursan and I don't miss it the slightest I never even used it outside of that one quest, now only if they would nerf SF some balance would come to elite missions then I and people who would actually enjoy playing this game with a climax and some effort would be rather happy.

I still see Ursan run by pugs in missions and I bash them for it, I can't stand the skill, it's for people who really do suck at the game. Don't have money for armor? Use Ursan. Don't have good weapons? Use Ursan. No skills unlocked? Use Ursan, because you suck and don't like a challenge even if it might cause you to fail.

Sure doa is sooooo much lively now...

So ursan was used because it allowed to play without good equipment, and pve has to require "effort", thanks for the laugh.

I hated ursan for the rank requirements and the shitty childish behavior lots of players had, but now I kind of miss seeing some groups completing doa without being tank + nuke.

Ursan allowed terrible players (90% of the pve community) to be somewhat successful, although most of them were unable to exploit it to the max (bad aggro, bad usage of kd, unable to follow called targets...).

Bryant Again · Aug 17, 2009, 08:54 AM // 08:54

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Originally Posted by Bug John

Ursan allowed terrible players (90% of the pve community) to be somewhat successful, although most of them were unable to exploit it to the max (bad aggro, bad usage of kd, unable to follow called targets...).

This is pretty much what I was referring to.

Ursan was the completely wrong way, the "easyasballs" way, to "fix" their PvE game.

"It helped the inexperienced": To an extent. Many were barred entry because of many of the pugs asking for "R10 ONLY PLZ".

But a better way to help the inexperienced? Making the areas less hardcore friendly in Normal mode. Those who are still a bit lacking in performance can see and experience the areas in NM while those still hoping to maintain challenge can stay in HM.

It also aimed to help balance class diversity by completely destroying it. If that's what ANet really wanted to do then they should've made only two classes: the Healzor and the Bear. Funnily enough they even failed in trying to make everyone the same.

In short, UB fails for three reasons:
-Coming up with the idea of making everyone the same in the first place
-Not being able to make every profession the same
-Barely helping the more casual populous, if at all

mathiastemplar · Aug 17, 2009, 09:48 AM // 09:48

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Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

No, not really.

When Ursan first started up it was all right, but it eventually caused the bad players to come out in droves, thinking that they could get away with anything because it was Ursan, and all you needed was R10 Norn. You'd see things like rangers saying "I didn't bring a bow because I'm running Ursan", and the whole situation degenerated from "GLF Ursan" to "GLF Ursan R10" to "GLF URSAN R10 MUST HAVE CONSET" fairly quickly.

As for the original, unnerfed skill, eh, whatever, it's in Blood Washes Blood, and I don't care as long as it stays there instead of being ported around all of Tyria.

What he said:P

matsif · Aug 17, 2009, 09:52 AM // 09:52

I miss the fact that unless I get a guild/alliance group together there is no chance of me getting UW done on my warrior anymore and that any class could go anywhere and do elite areas with it

I don't miss that it ruined the economy and the grind required by pugs to get into groups

Lonesamurai · Aug 17, 2009, 09:52 AM // 09:52

Did it go somewhere?

dr love · Aug 17, 2009, 09:53 AM // 09:53

thats how i did all my VQ, ursan slapping

The forth fly · Aug 17, 2009, 09:54 AM // 09:54

yes i used it a lot for UW/FoW pugs,If you say you didn't ever use it your in to PvP,a idiot or a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing liar

Swahnee · Aug 17, 2009, 09:56 AM // 09:56

In the ursan era everyone wanted to run ursan+HB

Now everyone wants to run SF+HB/UAmimicry (not necessarily in the same party)

and if you want to try something new (or if something actually works better) than you have to play solo or with few selected friends...

Nothing changed too much IMHO

saloking · Aug 17, 2009, 10:51 AM // 10:51

ursan...was horrible noobs went with ursan and thought that they were awesome killing everything. eles went tanking with ursan. everything this game ever was, became unstable with ursan. i hated that skill and i hated everyone that got their "pro" titles and who abused it.

i loved when they nerfed it. all the noobs went back to their original state and the game was being played as it should be. all these r10 went /cutemo mode haha

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anders_O · Aug 17, 2009, 10:54 AM // 10:54

Can't say I really miss it, but it would be nice to use something other than my sin for "high-end" pve

Lishy · Aug 17, 2009, 10:54 AM // 10:54

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Originally Posted by saloking

eles went tanking

Eles were actually the class that was meant to tank in the old days of prophecies. Hence Earth Magic.

Though, that's what they were designed to do. It doesn't mean it's done well outside of obbi builds.

the pretender · Aug 17, 2009, 11:04 AM // 11:04

Yeah I did miss ursan. But, meh I found that playing with guild mates is much faster and fun. Now only Perma needs to be nerfed as well, despite what anyones says it does(More or less fully disable for a few months). Give the game some time to catch up (or fully collapse). Either way the game has nothing to offer anymore and MOST likely never will. Its just a time killer.

Fate Crusher · Aug 17, 2009, 12:08 PM // 12:08

Ursan will only be missed because so many people were able to use it and farm the heck out of DoA and other elite areas.

The team build itself wasn't very strong, only brave. 6 ursans and 2 HB monks? lawl.

own age myname · Aug 17, 2009, 12:30 PM // 12:30

I miss it, somewhat. It was a fun way to get norn rank up (ursan groups in Olaf's) because I could PUG and have fun. I never really tried FoW/UW groups with Ursan, but I did try DoA, which failed horribly.

Ursan is better then Shadow Form, imo. Atleast Ursan CAN die.

MithranArkanere · Aug 17, 2009, 12:52 PM // 12:52

It was excessive and had to be changed.

Yet still was better than those Speed Clear groups, since it allowed all professions.

isildorbiafra · Aug 17, 2009, 01:04 PM // 13:04

The question that should be asked is Why! Why skills like ursan and SF?

IMO this is Anets well thought of plan to kill the economy before GW2 comes out....so that we all buy that; and dont linger on the past. And lets be honest. They are doing a splendid job of it.

AngeliqueSynner · Aug 17, 2009, 01:14 PM // 13:14

I don't miss it.
The only thing I used it for outside of completing Blood Washes Blood was for a bit of mapping in the Dunes of Despair mission on my necro.
I couldn't get past the scarabs with 505 health. 700 fixed that. xD
And I take it for helping friends and guildies do BWB. Because taking back the shrine is a pain in the ass and I don't feel like doing it most of the time.

Test Me · Aug 17, 2009, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Ursan is past... what's the point of "missing it"?

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Originally Posted by tadevil

I'm glad they nerfed Ursan and I don't miss it the slightest I never even used it outside of that one quest, now only if they would nerf SF some balance would come to elite missions then I and people who would actually enjoy playing this game with a climax and some effort would be rather happy.

Balance the elite missions out he says

You "enjoy effort", so who stops you? Go put as much effort as you like in your balanced elite mission runs. But that is not what you are looking for is it? All you want is that everybody that doesn't "enjoy effort" in a game to be given the same treatment and be forced to make efforts to play the game just because that is how you want to play it.

Live and let live. Plz.

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I still see Ursan run by pugs in missions and I bash them for it, I can't stand the skill, it's for people who really do suck at the game. Don't have money for armor? Use Ursan. Don't have good weapons? Use Ursan. No skills unlocked? Use Ursan, because you suck and don't like a challenge even if it might cause you to fail.

With this I agree.

No matter how brain dumb it was, I liked ursan. And unlike all these brave champions here declaring they've never used it, I've never went to DoA again after ursan was nerfed. All those of you that never used ursan pbly never finished DoA either. Anyway I don't enjoy "the effort" DoA requires. Cause I wanna be able to use the WC at least once in every 3h if I so wish.

And many people seem to forget a very basic thing: brain dead games can be highly entertaining!

But no, I don't miss it. I do miss DoA tho... Was my favorite elite.

persuadu · Aug 17, 2009, 02:33 PM // 14:33

I loved it. I miss it. I hope they bring it back.